Comments on: Neal Morse – Sola Scriptura http://barrydean.wordpress.com/2007/04/27/neal-morse-sola-scriptura/ My thoughts, my life, to the glory of Christ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:57:57 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Shari http://barrydean.wordpress.com/2007/04/27/neal-morse-sola-scriptura/#comment-3873 Shari Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:48:18 +0000 http://barrydean.wordpress.com/2007/04/27/neal-morse-sola-scriptura/#comment-3873 My book has been published. Anyone interested can order a copy at http://sharihowerton.com or through Amazon.com. The title is: BREAKING THE CHAINS; Overcoming the Spiritual Abuse of a False Gospel. I will personalize the books ordered through my website. My book has been published. Anyone interested can order a copy at http://sharihowerton.com or through Amazon.com. The title is:
BREAKING THE CHAINS; Overcoming the Spiritual Abuse of a False Gospel. I will personalize the books ordered through my website.

]]> By: barrydean http://barrydean.wordpress.com/2007/04/27/neal-morse-sola-scriptura/#comment-3827 barrydean Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:30:53 +0000 http://barrydean.wordpress.com/2007/04/27/neal-morse-sola-scriptura/#comment-3827 A.J. Thanks so much for taking the time to comment. I am glad that you are alarmed. Alarmed folks pay attention. If the doctrine of the Trinity became more widely accepted at the Nicean counsel as you say then good deal. The bible teaches this doctrine clearly. The doctrine of the Trinity was never challenged until that time. The apostles all taught this doctrine. So when the doctrine was being challenged it was determined to include it in the human standards of biblical teaching. Hence the Nicean counsel and the documents drafted there. The bible is very clear on the subject of Jesus's deity prior to His coming to earth and his subsequent resurrection. I am open minded until it flys in the face of biblical teaching. The teaching that denies the deity of Jesus Christ is cultic in nature, much like the teachings of the Moroman Church and Jehovah's Witness. A.J.

Thanks so much for taking the time to comment. I am glad that you are alarmed. Alarmed folks pay attention.

If the doctrine of the Trinity became more widely accepted at the Nicean counsel as you say then good deal. The bible teaches this doctrine clearly. The doctrine of the Trinity was never challenged until that time. The apostles all taught this doctrine. So when the doctrine was being challenged it was determined to include it in the human standards of biblical teaching. Hence the Nicean counsel and the documents drafted there.

The bible is very clear on the subject of Jesus’s deity prior to His coming to earth and his subsequent resurrection. I am open minded until it flys in the face of biblical teaching. The teaching that denies the deity of Jesus Christ is cultic in nature, much like the teachings of the Moroman Church and Jehovah’s Witness.

]]> By: A.J. http://barrydean.wordpress.com/2007/04/27/neal-morse-sola-scriptura/#comment-3826 A.J. Fri, 25 Sep 2009 04:52:09 +0000 http://barrydean.wordpress.com/2007/04/27/neal-morse-sola-scriptura/#comment-3826 I am always alarmed to read people so attached to man-made doctrine that they accuse those who dare question it of denying something sacred. If the Trinity doctrine is so sacred and untouchable why did it not get formulated until the dubious circumstances of the Nicean counsel in 325? The very definition of Sola Scriptura demands extreme skepticism of that doctrine in particular because Trinity does not appear in the Bible .... anywhere. Further, it directly contradicts the fundamental difference between Jewish monotheism and lumps Christianity with the many different brands of polytheism - Deuteronomy 6:4. Will you refuse to keep an open mind to what Neal is saying because he was first inspired by a secular television program? Is God's influence restricted to televangelists selling their wares? Scripture has many examples of people who made the mistake of rejecting a message because it came in a way they didn't expect. Will you make the same mistake? I am always alarmed to read people so attached to man-made doctrine that they accuse those who dare question it of denying something sacred. If the Trinity doctrine is so sacred and untouchable why did it not get formulated until the dubious circumstances of the Nicean counsel in 325? The very definition of Sola Scriptura demands extreme skepticism of that doctrine in particular because Trinity does not appear in the Bible …. anywhere. Further, it directly contradicts the fundamental difference between Jewish monotheism and lumps Christianity with the many different brands of polytheism – Deuteronomy 6:4.

Will you refuse to keep an open mind to what Neal is saying because he was first inspired by a secular television program? Is God’s influence restricted to televangelists selling their wares? Scripture has many examples of people who made the mistake of rejecting a message because it came in a way they didn’t expect. Will you make the same mistake?

]]> By: Shari http://barrydean.wordpress.com/2007/04/27/neal-morse-sola-scriptura/#comment-3698 Shari Sun, 07 Jun 2009 13:41:17 +0000 http://barrydean.wordpress.com/2007/04/27/neal-morse-sola-scriptura/#comment-3698 I just discovered this discussion and thought I would let you and your readers know that I came out of the church Neal attends in 2003. I was raised to believe those false teachings. The one that most negatively affected me was their doctrine of perfection (that one has to reach sinless perfection in the flesh to merit eternal life). I have just finished writing a book about my journey out of this religious cult into the truth of the Gospel. My book is not written from any malice or mean-spiritedness. I still love many of the people caught up in the deception of this group and pray for their deliverance, including Neal. I believe he is basically a good guy who had the misfortune to fall in with this group as he was initially searching for God in his life. My purpose in writing the book is to reach people who are still being deceived and enlighten others who have no understanding of groups like this. I pray that God will use it for His glory and that the book will reach the audience God has ordained to read it. My book will provide a lot of background and fill in some gaps for those of you who want to understand this group and its history. The book is being edited now. I have an artist working on the cover. A pretty well known musician friend is writing the foreward. And I hope to publish the book by the end of the summer. I will definitely announce its publication in as many places as I can, including my own blog. God Bless, Shari I just discovered this discussion and thought I would let you and your readers know that I came out of the church Neal attends in 2003. I was raised to believe those false teachings. The one that most negatively affected me was their doctrine of perfection (that one has to reach sinless perfection in the flesh to merit eternal life). I have just finished writing a book about my journey out of this religious cult into the truth of the Gospel. My book is not written from any malice or mean-spiritedness. I still love many of the people caught up in the deception of this group and pray for their deliverance, including Neal. I believe he is basically a good guy who had the misfortune to fall in with this group as he was initially searching for God in his life.

My purpose in writing the book is to reach people who are still being deceived and enlighten others who have no understanding of groups like this. I pray that God will use it for His glory and that the book will reach the audience God has ordained to read it. My book will provide a lot of background and fill in some gaps for those of you who want to understand this group and its history.

The book is being edited now. I have an artist working on the cover. A pretty well known musician friend is writing the foreward. And I hope to publish the book by the end of the summer. I will definitely announce its publication in as many places as I can, including my own blog.

God Bless,
Shari

]]> By: barrydean http://barrydean.wordpress.com/2007/04/27/neal-morse-sola-scriptura/#comment-3597 barrydean Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:10:20 +0000 http://barrydean.wordpress.com/2007/04/27/neal-morse-sola-scriptura/#comment-3597 eclectic geetar, Your email address looks made up and it is hard to tell if you serious or just trying to pull our chain here. I'm taking a shot at responding to you in general. The only belief Neal Morse should be concerned about would be the his belief in the doctrines taught in the whole of scripture. Basically If he doesn't believe that the son of God who has existed since eternity past came to earth as flesh, died for our sins and was raised again and seated at the right hand of the Father then he will be condemned to hell. As for your other comments, my prayer is for the true believers to use their God given discernment when listening to anything. eclectic geetar,

Your email address looks made up and it is hard to tell if you serious or just trying to pull our chain here. I’m taking a shot at responding to you in general.

The only belief Neal Morse should be concerned about would be the his belief in the doctrines taught in the whole of scripture. Basically If he doesn’t believe that the son of God who has existed since eternity past came to earth as flesh, died for our sins and was raised again and seated at the right hand of the Father then he will be condemned to hell.

As for your other comments, my prayer is for the true believers to use their God given discernment when listening to anything.

]]> By: eclectic geetar http://barrydean.wordpress.com/2007/04/27/neal-morse-sola-scriptura/#comment-3596 eclectic geetar Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:53:28 +0000 http://barrydean.wordpress.com/2007/04/27/neal-morse-sola-scriptura/#comment-3596 If it's true that Neal doesn't believe in everything that was decided at the Nicene Council by the church fathers then Neal is a HERETIC and is going to burn in hell forever! Anyone who listens to his heresy and gets sucked in by the evil in his message will burn in hell with him!!! BEWARE!!! If it’s true that Neal doesn’t believe in everything that was decided at the Nicene Council by the church fathers then Neal is a HERETIC and is going to burn in hell forever! Anyone who listens to his heresy and gets sucked in by the evil in his message will burn in hell with him!!! BEWARE!!!

]]> By: barrydean http://barrydean.wordpress.com/2007/04/27/neal-morse-sola-scriptura/#comment-3226 barrydean Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:09:15 +0000 http://barrydean.wordpress.com/2007/04/27/neal-morse-sola-scriptura/#comment-3226 Jdessi, Thank you for your comments. You are more than welcome to comment here. I am not certain of Neal Morse's theology. I believe it to be more modalistic like than subordinationism. He believes that God is one and that He has multiples aspects like the son, and the spirit. This is completely false. The bible teaches that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are three distinct persons. Yes the music is quite good. Jdessi,

Thank you for your comments. You are more than welcome to comment here. I am not certain of Neal Morse’s theology. I believe it to be more modalistic like than subordinationism. He believes that God is one and that He has multiples aspects like the son, and the spirit. This is completely false. The bible teaches that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are three distinct persons.

Yes the music is quite good.

]]> By: Jdessi http://barrydean.wordpress.com/2007/04/27/neal-morse-sola-scriptura/#comment-3223 Jdessi Wed, 09 Jul 2008 09:33:09 +0000 http://barrydean.wordpress.com/2007/04/27/neal-morse-sola-scriptura/#comment-3223 Maybe I'm not suitable for say a word on Neal Morse 's Sola Scriptura: I'm catholic.... I think Neal's teology is Subordinationism. Subordinationism was based on 'deuteros theos' greek idea. This point of view was rejected by the Nicene Council. I hope the Word of God will enlight him soon.... By the way: the music is fantastic... God bless you all. Sorry for my bad English Maybe I’m not suitable for say a word on Neal Morse ’s Sola Scriptura: I’m catholic….
I think Neal’s teology is Subordinationism.
Subordinationism was based on ‘deuteros theos’ greek idea.
This point of view was rejected by the Nicene Council.

I hope the Word of God will enlight him soon….

By the way: the music is fantastic…

God bless you all.

Sorry for my bad English

]]> By: Joe Wallace http://barrydean.wordpress.com/2007/04/27/neal-morse-sola-scriptura/#comment-846 Joe Wallace Wed, 04 Jul 2007 00:05:33 +0000 http://barrydean.wordpress.com/2007/04/27/neal-morse-sola-scriptura/#comment-846 Barry, I certainly make no judgment on anyone for listening to any kind of music they want to. I was only trying to clarify somewhat, my position. If you are interested I wouldn't mind talking with you through e-mail, about this and on reformed theology. Thanks Joe Barry,
I certainly make no judgment on anyone for listening to any kind of music they want to. I was only trying to clarify somewhat, my position. If you are interested I wouldn’t mind talking with you through e-mail, about this and on reformed theology.

Thanks
Joe

]]> By: barrydean http://barrydean.wordpress.com/2007/04/27/neal-morse-sola-scriptura/#comment-834 barrydean Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:19:22 +0000 http://barrydean.wordpress.com/2007/04/27/neal-morse-sola-scriptura/#comment-834 Joe, I definitely appreciate your investigation into this matter. Wow, it sounds like you put a lot of energy and effort into this. Again, I find nothing in his lyrics to push an agenda outside of his interpretation of Martin Luther and his stand against the Catholic Church. I do not read in the lyrics his claim that his own church is the reformation. I will agree that it is not a good idea to adopt his doctrine. From what I have read, from your links and info to some others I've read, it does sound like a cult. Let me ask a question. Do you listen to any other music aside from the music of artists whose doctrine is sound? Do you listen to any secular music? I understand for a lot of folks that is major issue and I can appreciate that. But brother, I hope you aren't suggesting that it would be wrong for a believer to listen to such music. Joe,

I definitely appreciate your investigation into this matter. Wow, it sounds like you put a lot of energy and effort into this. Again, I find nothing in his lyrics to push an agenda outside of his interpretation of Martin Luther and his stand against the Catholic Church. I do not read in the lyrics his claim that his own church is the reformation. I will agree that it is not a good idea to adopt his doctrine. From what I have read, from your links and info to some others I’ve read, it does sound like a cult. Let me ask a question. Do you listen to any other music aside from the music of artists whose doctrine is sound? Do you listen to any secular music? I understand for a lot of folks that is major issue and I can appreciate that. But brother, I hope you aren’t suggesting that it would be wrong for a believer to listen to such music.

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